🏒 Lucian Marin It will be nice if Apple could scale M1 to other Macs: 2x M1 in MBP 16 and iMac, 4x and 8x M1 in Mac Pro. Maybe even a 2x M1 Mac mini.

👂 Sly Am i the only one who's not excited about this M1 chip? Ram is inside the chip, everything is hard soldered, you can't replace any component. I know it has been this way with macs lately but this time it's even worse. It seems to me that the sole purpose of those new chips is to make them more like iphones and ipads so that the only way to upgrade is to keep buying the newer models.

Nick S. On one hand, the inability to upgrade is true, but the tradeoffs at least seem positive. I don't think the performance and efficiency would be as effective without it. I'm more excited for the start of ARM personal computers.

👂 Sly The ARM race is very exciting but i don't think we should sacrifice upgradability for the sake of 2x times the speed. Computers are fast enough these days, ram speed is getting better, components are getting smaller, there's no point of having welled gardens anymore. We should be able to build laptops like we build desktops, that's how the future should be in my opinion.

Chetan Vashisht Couldn't agree more, we really don't need more speed. I'd happy with better customisation options.

🦇 Arr We need more speed. My iPhone SE 2020 scrolls more smoothly then my Intel Xeon, Nvidia 1080. Single core performance is only 10% better in the smartphone, but somehow the mobile system feels faster. A 15+ years old Mac with OS 9 is faster when typing input than an Intel MacBook Air with OS X was shown in recent benchmarks. "UI always scales to make any CPU underpowered" is a postulated law of computer engineering. Some people buying a MS Surface (7th gen) report bad perf, too

👂 Sly Yeah, we need optimized _native_ software and _better_ developers. Having a faster CPU doesn't make your software optimized, it makes it run a little bit faster, that's all. Throwing more speed at it isn't gonna solve the problem. "UI always scales to make any CPU underpowered" is an optimization problem.