To be frank, they are forced to have all that...

🦿 Lucian Marin Writing this from Project Spartan. It's the same old Metro browser with a new UI. It's very slow. Everything works the same as in Internet Explorer. The UI is a bit more clever than any other Windows app: the tabs are placed on the title bar (finally). The UI or anything about the browser isn't customizable: you got like the defaults or not.

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Dongsung Kim I wanted to check something on Spartan but the Windows update kept failing for me... What's the user agent of the browser?

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🦿 Lucian Marin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/39.0.2171.71 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.0

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Dongsung Kim omfg

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Martijn To be frank, they are forced to have all that stuff in there because of idiotic web developers.

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Dongsung Kim I heard the same argument from other pro-IE guys, and my response was: this is the time that IE et al needs community support more than ever, and you can't expect the whole pointing-fingers-to-the-devs thing will make anything better - nonetheless 'breaking' changes like this.

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🦿 Lucian Marin *corporate developers. Indie developers don't care about UA string. Standards are the same and we target specific features, not individual browsers.

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Martijn Not really, all idiotic web developers apply. Things like Modernizr and jQuery are well accepted in corporate development today. The problem lies mainly with (really) old code. And back in the day indie devs made the same mistakes. Same reason they will not be making Windows 9, coders (corporate and 'indie' alike) checked for the string 'windows 9' in their programming.

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Dongsung Kim There are things feature detection simply can't handle: showcasing Android app on Android web browsers, different underline rendering for non-iOS8/OSX10.10-Safari, subtle coloring for different engine... UA is ugly for sure, but for now it's not good to mess around - when there's really no alternative.

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