Zero Edge Simple logic: A vaccinated person is less likely to feel symptoms of Covid. Means they are more likely to go out and interact with the world while they are infectious to others. Means that a vaccinated person may actually spread the disease more than unvaccinated. Because the unvaccinated: Get sick -> know they are sick -> physically cannot or will not interact with the world because they are sick.

☕ David Antoine Seems logic yes. Problem is also the tech used by those vaccines. They should have gone inactivated virus type. That's the best way to have a strong immunity response and not allow the virus to enter cells even if it mutates on specific surface sites to try to enter. Vaccines are supposed to prohibit replication, right? If not, then they are just a high tech "emergency" drug. One who will let Pfizer alone rack up $35 billions this year...

Zero Edge Yeah, I really wish we had a vaccine that prevented the spread.. Measles, Smallpox etc.. All essentially nullified the spread. Now it seems multiple doses per year. For how long? Indefinitely?

☕ David Antoine Well, Pfizer CEO certainly wants it to be forever... I'm 45, I should vaccinate myself but I don't want the Pfizer and Moderna. AZ and Janssen have severe adverse effects. So I don't know really. The Sputnik V seems to work well (no one talks about it apparently) but it's a no go in Europe due to political reasons honestly...

Zero Edge I have been looking at Novavax which seems to be closer to the "standard" vaccines we are used to. I am also waiting to see what the overall outcome for those who have already gotten it is. If it is less severe each time until its basically "nothing". I probably wouldn't mind passing thru a few times as opposed to multiple injections every year indefinitely. Already had it once..

☕ David Antoine Yeah still not inactivated type. It is a subunit type vaccine with chemical adjuvants to boost the response. And apparently, the EU commission authorized an advance purchase agreement of 100 million doses + 100 million others as option while still being under Phase 2/3 and under rolling review by the EMA. Sputnik V also under review, but no contracts in advance. How strange. I don't trust them. Inactivated types only used in China, Russia and India. Still, it's done too fast.