Goth1856 argument ender: It is easy to remove the mind from harping on the lost illusion of immortality. The disciplined intellect fears nothing & craves no sugar plum at the days end, but is content to accept & serve society as it may. Personally I should not care in for immortality in the least. There is nothing better than oblivion, since in oblivion we're born, yet did not complain. Shall we then whine because we know it will return? It is Elysium enough for me at any rate. h.p. lovecraft 1921 ~ in defence of dagon