Cole Hudson This is fairly fascinating: youtu.be/_WsgJznDV.... To me this implies that non-professional, or even pre-programmed surgery is right around the corner. pretty cyberpunk actually
😃💬 Javier Fascinating. The average bypass surgery in the USA is 123K DLLS. With insurance people here end with a 40K 50K dollar tab on you way out of the Hospital. Hopefully the DaVinci machine brings the price down.
☕✍️ David Antoine 50K with insurance for a bypass? Frightening. That's not even what most people earn in a year here in Belgium... Incredible how the human body and its parts are monetized in the US by insurance companies... You could use a revamp of your health care system honestly. Is it because you would rather give the power to those companies than to the government? I don't know why it's so controversial. And interesting at the same time...
🌲 Trees healthcare is free in russia, but my family has had to pay more than $6k (an arm and a leg by russian standards) in bribes to heal my broken leg and i still can't walk, three years after the accident happened
☕✍️ David Antoine Crap. I'm sorry for you. Well, that's another extreme then, compared to the US situation. $6K of bribes in Russia certainly amounts to $60K of health debt induced by insurance companies in the US... Only difference maybe your health status outcome but I'm not even sure about that. We pay a lot of taxes in Europe overall but I wouldn't want our health care systems to go to those extremes...
🌲 Trees the more taxes the better imo (assuming an ideal, non-corrupt government) because your neighbor's well-being is your well-being too
☕✍️ David Antoine The non-corrupt government is the tricky part. But yes, important sectors that will ensure the projection of your population decades in the future (health, education, energy, transportation) should be managed with the very long term in mind...
😃💬 Javier You hit the nail in the head. We as a society here in the US don't see eye to eye on how the future of the US should look like: Like a Vegas Casino or NY Fine Arts museum. In the former, if you are a nobody with lots of money you make the rules, in the latter if you have money AND connections, you make the rules. We battle on "Drain Pool Politics. nytimes.com/2021/0... and pay the price for it.
☕✍️ David Antoine Well, I don't think the "if they can also have it, then no one can" is the reason why now. I feel the racial angle (which is destroying everything MLK has done for your country) is used by every ethnicity & gender to mask what is becoming unsustainable : politicians (Dem/Rep) being lobbied for decades by insurance companies so the latter can get their ways in dragging US citizens down in debt for their health. Everyone knows who wins in this and it's not your everyday Joe...
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😃💬 Javier People in Alabama, from all places, were against Obamacare. The way it reads to me is like this: If the government is going to force me to pay for Insurance, I don't want Insurance at all, not for me or anyone. Just like ff the government is forcing me to share the pool with not-Lawrence-Welks-Show-fans, I don't want that pool at all. There is no solidarity. Sorry about the obscure Lawrence Welks Show reference.
☕✍️ David Antoine I'll look into the reference, don't be sorry. That I'll never understand, preferring to pay a private insurance on an individual basis instead of paying the government via taxes so that everyone, included low income people, are not left behind for their health. It works in Europe. Not perfect but it's there... You're right, absence of solidarity is also part of the problem. I don't know about Obamacare and its effects on your health marketplace exchange ; it's so complicated.